CEB Bullets as Shotgun Slugs

Dr. Jon Carlson from Emporium PA decided to do a little experimenting with our 160gr .452 Flat Base Raptor™ out of a 20 gauge shot gun this past weekend! Below was his report:


“With hunting season around the corner I decided to develop a lighter kicking 20 gauge sabot. The goal of the project was to make a faster and flatter shooting sabot that also recoiled less. Standard 250 grain Sabots have a decent amount of felt recoil for younger shooters. We decided to use Cutting Edge Bullets .452 160 gr flat base copper Raptors in our loads. The CEBs fit perfect in the Collet Cup Sabot provided by Gun Servicing LLC out of New Jersey. We also used their gas checks and nitro cards. Our powder of choice was Longshot and we used Federal high brass hulls that were factory primed. A standard Roll Crimp tool was used instead of an 8 point crimp.

Preliminary load testing has been excellent. We ordered a 24 inch full rifled slug barrel for our Remington 870. Current testing has been done with an 18 inch barrel. Thus far we have been able to reproduce 1.5 inch groups at 100 yards shooting off of a pedestal front rest and sandbag for the rear. We are hoping to perform velocity testing and finalize load data in two weeks when the new 24 inch barrel arrives.”


We are excited to hear the field testing results. We have absolutely no doubt they will function and create as much trauma as they are intended to. Just something to consider for all of those in shotgun only states!


Customer Story- Moose Hunt


Below is an email we received from one of our valued customers, Jim W. This was too good of an email not to share with everyone. We love to hear from our customers!


“First off let me congratulate everyone at Cutting Edge Bullets for designing a “Superior” product!

This moose hunt to British Columbia was a hunt of a lifetime for me and my best friend Bob F.
Our approach as far as rifles to be used was considerably different.
Bob’s rifle a 300 winchester magnum in a Kimber Montana Model.
My rifle a .375 h&h magnum in a Blaser R8 professional S.
Bullets selected were also different, Bob selected the CEB: 180 gr. MTH.
For myself the bullet was the 235 gr. ER Safari Raptor.
I reloaded for both rifles and accurate loads were developed for both rifles.
Bob’s bull was taken at a little over 180 yards. The bullet performed flawlessly and killed the bull cleanly.
There was no immediate follow up shot due to dense cover and the bull dropping immediately to the shot.
This is success, the bull was at a dead away angle going up a slope. The bull made a hard move at the shot.
The bullet entered at the spine and pelvis. Of course this was not the planned shot placement.
The bullet crushed the spine and broke the bulls pelvis in two!! In hunting we know nothing is perfect.
We strive for it! On this occassion the bullet was perfect even when conditions were not.
No bullet was recovered.

My bull was taken at 158 yards. My shot placement was at top and behind the shoulder.
My guides reaction at the shot was quite surprising! First bull he had personally seen taken with the old 375 h&h. His response was ” I have never seen a bull get shook like that”!!
The bull took only 4 steps forward and turned back toward the spruce with his hind end going down.
My guide laughingly said “Hit him again, Jim!”, there was no need really for the second shot but the bull was in a great spot for easy quartering. My guide did not want him in the immediate edge of the spruce.
Second shot was administered the same as the first. The bull already falling,
collapsed immediately. No bullets recovered 2nd shot exited 1st shot entry at same distance of 158 yards.No lung tissue bigger than 4 inch pieces intact! The blades and hydrostatic shock had done their job!
The base of the bullets had exited in a straight line.
I would hunt anywhere in the world with these two bullet designs!
Now here are the pictures of our Bulls!

Bob’s bull will more than likely make book!
I will have to try again.”


Jim W.



King of 2 Miles- Match Recap


June 28th-30th

NRA Whittington Center

Raton, New Mexico

The 2016 King Of 2 Mile competition is over and it is time to start thinking about next year. Overall we didn’t do terrible with Durvin placing 3rd and me placing 6th but we certainly Loaded cartridges.jpggot our butts handed to us by the Applied Ballistics teams. Like last year, we use an “Off the Shelf” Barrett model M99 chambered in .416 Barrett. Realistically, this type of rifle is not a Benchrest match quality rifle out of the box but they do shoot well. The biggest issue with shooting an M99 to extreme distances is in the rifle tracking properly due to tactical design of the stock. They are simply not designed to shoot to 2000+ yards. However, there is a solution to the tracking problem and we are working on an “attachment” for the stock that will allow perfect tracking. We will more than likely use a non-stock bipod as well since we are customizing anyway. Enough excuses, we did not prep as much as we should have and the AB teams just shot better with better equipment.


2477yd Target

After the first day Darik Bollig from Barrett was third, Durvin was 4th and I was 5th and it stayed that way through the second day of qualifications. All of us were shooting a M99 .416 Barrett. Here are the top 10 that qualified. The yardages shot were 1454, 1556, 1724, and 2011 yards. First round hit score was the distance multiplied by the number of shots on that particular target which in target 1 there were 5 shots. 5 x 1454 = 7200 points for one hit. Second round hits were 4 times the yardage, third round hits were worth 3 times the yardage, etc. On the remaining 3 targets where there were only three shots per target were scored accordingly with first round hits worth 3 times the distance, 2nd round hits worth 2 times the distance and 3rd round hits worth 1 times the distance. First round hits were critical and as you see we did not make first round hits on the first two targets. Since we had a 1600 yard zero in PA thinking we were going to be shooting much further than the yardage we started at, we did not have our elevation correct on the closer targets. Once we saw where the first shot went (high), the remaining shots were on target. Vertical stringing became much more evident on the 2011 yard target and not just to us.

on the line 3The finals consisted of shooting 5 shots on each of three targets, 2011, 2477, and 3375 yards and scored in the same fashion. Durvin managed to get shots 3 and 4 on target at 2011 adding 10,055 points to his score but did not get points for the 6th round hit at 2477 yards and did not get on at 3375. I only managed to get one shot on at 2011 and one shot on at 2477 yards which allowed Paul Phillips to leap over me and Randy. No doubt the Applied Ballistics teams shot well and congratulations to them all.


-Daniel Smitchko

President of Cutting Edge Bullets



Days 1&2 Scores


Final Scores


FAQ: Why are Your Bullets Lighter Than Conventional Bullets?

The number one question we get asked the most is why our bullets tend to be lighter than others. Our bullets are all manufactured out of solid copper and brass bar stock. Since they lack a lead core, they also lack the weight that lead provides.

Barstock comparisons

But don’t let that shy you away from shooting a lighter bullet. A lighter bullet means you can push them faster, ultimately leading to flatter trajectory and deep penetration. Since our bullets are constructed out of solid copper and brass bar stock, they will not come apart in flight or “disintegrate” so to speak. You can push them as fast as you wish.

The tricky part comes in deciding on which weight use. The number one thing to look at when deciding on a bullet is twist rate. Under the “Technical Information” tab under each bullet on our website, it lists the minimum required twist rate in order to shoot that bullet. Now this is the minimum REQUIRED twist rate, it is not just a recommendation. The reason this is so essential is because our heavier bullets are much longer than a conventional lead-core bullet, so in order for a heavier weight bullet offering to stabilize, it will require a faster twist rate. If the twist rate is too slow, the bullet won’t shoot and will key hole.

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We have an in house data base with starting load data which we can provide you with. Give us a call or shoot us an email, and we can get it over to you. We are always here to help whether it’s load data, technical questions, or bullet recommendations.
(814) 345-6690

Virtual Sports Show

Tomorrow morning kicks off the Virtual Sports Show hosted by  This virtual show was put together for vendors who stood up for their 2nd Amendment rights by boycotting Reed Exhibitions’ Eastern Sports & Outdoor Show in Harrisburg, PA.  As I’m sure most of you know, the boycott was a result of Reed Exhibitions’ decision to prohibit the sale or display of sporting rifles and magazines capable of holding more than 10 rounds.  Cutting Edge Bullets will have a small selection of products displayed on the Virtual Show site including bullets and firing pins designed specifically for AR style rifles.

The show that was supposed to take place in Harrisburg would have started tomorrow morning and ran through Sunday, February 10th.  Although the show has been cancelled, we are still going to be offering a show special during those dates.  Any order placed between the 2nd and the 10th will qualify for Free UPS Ground Shipping to the lower 48 states.

Also, today we released a new bullet designed specifically for AR-15 rifles.  Our MTAC B08 is a 55 grain, solid copper 22 caliber bullet measuring .224″ in diameter.  This bullet was tested earlier this week in several different AR-style rifles.  With a bullet projection length of .495″, this bullet will load into any standard magazine.  A Ballistic Coefficient of .250 was calculated for this bullet.  The MTAC B08 is currently in production and will be available to ship by 02/20/13.  This bullet is sold in boxes of 50 as well as a 1000 count bulk package.  As with all other bullets, orders placed for this item during the virtual show will still qualify for free shipping.

2013 Industry Trade Shows


I know it’s been a while since our last post. It’s a busy time of year for Cutting Edge Bullets. We’ve been traveling all around the country exhibiting at trade shows.

From January 3rd through the 6th we had a team exhibiting at the Dallas Safari Club Convention in Dallas, TX. While we had attended this show in the past, this was the first year that we were exhibiting. We had a great time, made some new friends, and also had a chance to catch up with some old friends and valued customers. Our booth was very busy with non-stop traffic making for a great week.

We also have a group out at the SHOT Show in Las Vegas, NV right now. The SHOT Show began this past Tuesday, January 15th and finishes up today at 4 PM. Reports are that our crew has been extremely busy out there and are having great time. Prior to the SHOT Show was “Media Day At The Range.” This event was held at the Boulder Pistol & Rifle Range in Boulder City, NV on Monday, January 14th. We had a good turnout there as well. Personnel in the Media industry were able to experience the accuracy of our bullets by shooting several of our rifles including a .416 Barrett at ranges out to 1000 yards.

We were scheduled to exhibit at the Eastern Sports and Outdoor Show in Harrisburg, PA in a couple of weeks but have recently decided that we will not be attending. This is due to recent decisions of Reed Exhibitions to ban select exhibiters from the show. This news came as a huge disappointment to us all, as this has been a great show for us in the past. As strong supporters of the 2nd amendment, we cannot stand behind anyone who threatens this freedom… anyone including Reed Exhibitions.

So the next show on our schedule after the SHOT Show will be the 2013 NRA Annual Meetings & Exhibits in Houston, TX. This show is open to the public (Free to NRA Members) and runs May 3rd through the 5th. We had a great time last year in St. Louis and are looking forward to another great show in Houston. Hope to see you all there!